[Silver Surfer]

See http://www.creditcru...topic=3356&st=0

Some people never learn ...

[Easy Tiger]

What's that? Two times the Bull Trolls have managed to shut down debate?


That should put to rest any further talk of allowing unrestrained debate in the future? Even the physical type public forums are moderated. TV debates are moderated.


Mod's FTW

[hamish]

It's why I never really bothered going over there, I was very tired of the constant baiting and descent into endless insults at GHPC, and that looked like even more of the same.

So long as they don't come over here en mass I'm happy.

[staringclown]

I'm an advocate for free speech but it does come with a responsibility. It was a bold social experiment that seems to have ultimately failed. It's a pity however I hope that we do pick up some of the more intelligent posters.

[itching]

I for one hope that CC keeps going. I do not post there and have no interest in doing so, however I think that forum has one fantastic quality in that it keeps the wankers away from here. If you pop in and have a look at what goes on around there it is a carbon copy of the early stages of what was the demise of GHPC, and honestly losing that forum is what alot of the people there deserve.

However if that forum dies I have no doubt that will lead to the ruin of this forum. Having the morons post here will be very sad indeed. I am not against having differing views on here at all, I would love to have someone who disagreed with the consensus and expressed this by logical and rational argument. However if CC's posters end up here the opposing argument will be expressed via-

• Pointless bickering about definitions of words
• He said - she said rubbish
• Huge sigs at the bottom of posts featuring mainly 3 year old quotes from ppl who dont post here
• Graphs tagged with helpfull comments like - "renters lose again"
• Abuse
• etc
• etc

And I am even less interested in having alot of CC's "bears" here. Many are so closed minded they will not even entertain the thought of alternate views to their own. The same people who tried to argue logically, and got upset when they couldn't, with bear-trap (a person so sad - that he signed up after being banned with his original profile, and pretended for months on end to be retarded). These are the sort of ppl who will migrate here.

When shadow pm'd us he was leaving, that was (I think) fantastic for this forum! And Im not interested in having these sort of ppl back here. I come here to get a dose of bear porn from SS, look at Cobrans charts (thanks mate), read arguments about the nonshortage, learn about alot of stuff and junk, and try an occasional recipe, not to be talked down to by half wits.

Vent over

Just keep in mind mods or whoever letting these ppl in here will lead to the loss of the ppl who made this forum.

[tor]

itching, on 13 February 2010 - 02:47 AM, said:

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All fair points and largely, I think, correct however I think we have a slightly different type of forum with more experienced moderators.

A few of the key trouble makers have been and gone here because most people don't rise to the bait.

[urchin]

it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. i feel bad for the well-intentioned mods, but as they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

might be a good case study for someone doing a behavioural psychology degree though. i can see a ma or honours thesis coming out of this.

[staringclown]

urchin, on 13 February 2010 - 11:54 PM, said:

it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. i feel bad for the well-intentioned mods, but as they say, no good deed goes unpunished.

But strangely, I can't stop watching it.

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might be a good case study for someone doing a behavioural psychology degree though. i can see a ma or honours thesis coming out of this.

There's an entire conference in it at least...

[RumpledElf]

tor, on 13 February 2010 - 03:26 AM, said:

All fair points and largely, I think, correct however I think we have a slightly different type of forum with more experienced moderators.

A few of the key trouble makers have been and gone here because most people don't rise to the bait.

The bait also tends to get deleted, which annoys the heck out of *that* personality type.

There's more mods here than you see at first glance, too.

Urchin - I'm a huge fan of social engineering, which trolling is sort of a subset of. Its fascinating stuff. I have the loose equivalent of a behavioural science degree myself (comp sci + psychology) but don't have any supressed urges to go get a doctorate on freakish internet behaviour

[urchin]

heh heh.

it must be interesting to observe from that perspective. All I see is a bunch of knuckleheads throwing poo at each other and getting a lot of it on the innocent bystanders.

I'm all for freedom of expression and for people expressing their viewpoints, but at the same time the quality of the viewpoint and its appropriateness for the occasion ought to be considered. I don't why some of the more trolly types think they have a constitutional right to spew to their heart's content on whatever forum they are infecting at any given time.

In CC, though, its people who were reasonable posters in the past who seem to be giving the mods the hardest time of all... Ugh.

[Mr Medved]

There are some interesting posts/posters on CC but it seems every thread is derailed within about five posts. I'm glad I haven't bothered to register there as I don't waste time responding to the blatant baiting.

[Easy Tiger]

I'm a (semi- active) member of a few other forums and what I have observed on CC is nothing but astounding. I'm of Libertarian bent but, God-damn, what I'm seeing on CC has me clamouring for intervention by an Authoritah of some sort

[tor]

Easy Tiger, on 14 February 2010 - 08:51 AM, said:

I'm a (semi- active) member of a few other forums and what I have observed on CC is nothing but astounding. I'm of Libertarian bent but, God-damn, what I'm seeing on CC has me clamouring for intervention by an Authoritah of some sort

The best thing to happen to a libertarian

(in reality the best thing for everyone is to have their beliefs questioned by a desire for the opposite but libertarians and other self provlaimed open minded people such as myself deserve it more)

[Turkey]

itching, on 13 February 2010 - 02:47 AM, said:

I am not against having differing views on here at all, I would love to have someone who disagreed with the consensus and expressed this by logical and rational argument.

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When shadow pm'd us he was leaving, that was (I think) fantastic for this forum! And Im not interested in having these sort of ppl back here. I come here to get a dose of bear porn from SS, look at Cobrans charts (thanks mate), read arguments about the nonshortage, learn about alot of stuff and junk, and try an occasional recipe, not to be talked down to by half wits.

Those statements are kind of contradictory and revealing - you want to hear different views but you come to S&S for the bear porn!

I don't care about forum politics and which forum "wins" - I'm just interested to know whether it is actually possible for bears and bulls to sensibly debate the issues and it would be nice to actually see it. Or is property simply too emotive a subject and (relative) harmony can only be achieved if the majority of posters have a similar outlook?

It seems to me that the harmonious forums are this one and Somersoft where heavier moderation is practiced and most of the posters have a similar viewpoint. I suppose the danger of this approach is group-think and the other approach invites chaos and ugliness. No easy solutions and I certainly don't have any...

[Bernard L. Madoff]

I don't know Turkey. I'm a PPOR mortgagee, so is Tor and RE owns a few, just to name some, so the status quo is in our best interest. The vitriolic "burn all specufestors" thing is the issue which I hope the moderators quell because they are as nutty as the "double every 7" crew.

In my case I'd like to know that when TSHTF how I can mitigate short of paying the bugger off.

There are renters here with philosophical attitudes. Its more a discovery thing now its settled down with shared ideas, some debate, some disagreement without blaming boomers, immigrants, speculators. More of a "how do we work this to get ahead" [without leveraged property speculation because there is a bubble].

There is a consensus there is a bubble here IF that is declared as bearish, I think more reality recognition.

[RumpledElf]

Boomers, immigrants, specufesters, FHBs, house-ATM-users, whoever they are - if they've overpaid for a house or brought themselves into more debt than they can handle if their income drops by 5%, they're all screwed. Hate the debt and the high prices, folks - and the government and bank policy behind it!

oh and feel free to hate people like Tor who earn so much they make Sydney prices look affordable

[itching]

Turkey, on 14 February 2010 - 02:36 PM, said:

Those statements are kind of contradictory and revealing - you want to hear different views but you come to S&S for the bear porn!

I dont see how.

I come here to read bearish articles, this is true.
I would have no problem with some-one posting bullish views here, this is also true.

If there is still a problem with this - I will be happy to try and explain it again.

[Solomon]

RumpledElf, on 14 February 2010 - 10:33 PM, said:

Boomers, immigrants, specufesters, FHBs, house-ATM-users, whoever they are - if they've overpaid for a house or brought themselves into more debt than they can handle if their income drops by 5%, they're all screwed. Hate the debt and the high prices, folks - and the government and bank policy behind it!
oh and feel free to hate people like Tor who earn so much they make Sydney prices look affordable

I don't hate tor. Couldn't possibly.
He deserves our greatest respect, for achieving what so many of us actually aspire to!! (I'm being serious)

My purpose for opening up an online account, firstly in GHPC and now here, was primarily because of purely selfish reasons.
I began searching in early 2008 for sites that were talking about the affordability of homes and stumbled across GHPC.
I had been watching house prices tripling in value in 10 years, and was concerned that my children would not have the opportunity to own their own home, without entering into massive amounts of debt.
I guess as a father, I simply wanted my children to at least have that privilege without stemming their life itself, by constantly struggling, trying to meet their excessive mortgage payments.

But I guess I did also have a wider concern that our society was so geared to paying down such large debt that our entire social fabric was being driven by this delusion of having to have the greatest house in the block, and yet enslaved to needing to meet the payments to the banks.
The consequence as I saw it , was that this means that voluntary organisations and charities were being placed in some jeopardy for providing for the less fortunate, because most people just didn't have the time or the energy to be involved.
My observation is that most of the more local organisations are now run by people in their 70's and 80's.

I should explain that I have been a home owner, and I now rent. Neither is better than the other, and each has their pros and cons. Although it is a nice feeling/emotion to be able to survey your castle, and think that in your time on the planet, this is a monument to your endeavours. (It is only feeling though)

Frankly I got out of GHPC when all the rubbish occurred and RE can confirm that I asked some questions when I came here about what is the legal ramifications of postings to online threads, in regard to defamation and mounting evidence of aggravated assault.
Did you know that when you post on this forum, you lose ownership of your words, in the ability to delete them.
I have discovered that only the owner of the site can remove posts or a person's personal information, (without a person going back through all their posts and editing each post to nothing), and that any residue (retained on any other people's computers) also belongs to the site owner. It is the responsibility of the owner of the site, to ensure the forum is conducted in a civil and appropriate manner, and charges can be brought against the owner, as well as individual posters for inappropriate material.
An owner of a site can be requested to submit all personal details held on individual posters if requested by police or other relevant authorities.

In severe cases the server can also demand that the site be closed, if it contravenes any of its usage terms, including racial, age or gender vilification.
Perhaps Credit Crunch, might be in such a situation, or he/she is just tired of the endless empty superficial banter, that makes up conversation for some people.

[Easy Tiger]

Well CC is still as active as ever.


Good stuff I say as everyone seems to be having fun

[fed up]

It's good here. Not much BS