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#161 User is offline   staringclown 

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 02:19 AM

Scarce cash to hit home - herald sun

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BANKS will have no choice but to pass on rising costs to customers or accept lower profits in the next decade as funding becomes a "scarce commodity", a leading finance group says.

GE Capital Australia chief executive Skander Malcolm says the growing cost of capital will fundamentally change the game in the finance sector for years to come.

While costs were low when "liquidity was everywhere" before the global financial crisis, intense competition for wholesale funding - cash borrowed from other institutions - meant prices were now highly volatile, he said.

"We think frankly for the next 10 years that capital is going to be a very scarce commodity," Mr Malcolm said. "Availability of funding is going to be - for everyone - around, but a lot more expensive.

"Certainly if the cost of capital goes up and the cost of funding goes up, then the people who are selling mortgages have to figure out a way to either reduce their profitability and suck that up, or pass it on in price."

Australian banks are widely expected to lift interest rates out of step with the Reserve Bank within weeks to address sliding profit margins.

GE Capital - a subsidiary of America's General Electric Company and one of the biggest non-bank players in Australia's finance sector - pulled out of the mortgage and car loan markets at the height of the GFC late in 2008.

Speaking to BusinessDaily to mark GE Capital's 15th anniversary in Australia, Mr Malcolm said the company had no regrets the "painful" decision.

"We took our medicine. It certainly wasn't an easy decision but as we look forward to today, and we look at the profitability of the continuing businesses and even the way that we're managing the discontinued businesses, it's in really good shape," he said.

The group offloaded some home loans to the Commonwealth Bank and sold out of what was then Wizard Home Loans. With $9 billion in assets, the remaining mortgage book is about a third its original size and is being run down.

Mr Malcolm said he was approached regularly "by all sorts" of potential buyers for book, but would only sell at the right price.

Pulling out of the market had freed it to focus on its better-established and more profitable businesses, he said, and the company would "absolutely not" move back into housing finance.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 08:53 AM

Weren't the retail figures up in July 2010? Proving once again that interest rate rises can be absorbed by Australians. There are truckloads of money sloshing around, and plenty of scope for rate rises.

All this hoo-haa about rate rises hurting the economy is just that, hoo hah.

This lot don't know what pain is.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 09:54 AM

View Posttux, on 31 August 2010 - 08:53 AM, said:

Weren't the retail figures up in July 2010? Proving once again that interest rate rises can be absorbed by Australians. There are truckloads of money sloshing around, and plenty of scope for rate rises.

All this hoo-haa about rate rises hurting the economy is just that, hoo hah.

This lot don't know what pain is.


tighten RBA, tighten
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 10:42 AM

Plenty of folk have got plenty of money for sure. But there are those recent entrants to the ponzi that are worrying everybody. Last I heard they were going without food to pay the mortgage. Interest rates must go down. Harry paid his fees to the political parties and expects results. Harley Dale is screaming what harley always screams. Roger Corbett (reserve bank governor, Fairfax chairman, Wal mart chairman and ex woolworths CEO) is saying let's go back to the polls and sort it out properly. ""Minority government will be a disaster." Markets are seeing no government as a positive due to less interference. Commodities are up but could plunge at any moment depending on china. RBA (Debelle says their should be tighter rules around bank liquidity risk but asserts that the public purse should always bail them as it's "too important"). At the same time aussie mortgage loans (or whatever the f*ck they call themselves) are spruiking more "no savings" loans to keep the ponzi going. Consumer credit is up and everybodies feeling good again. Even houses are up a bit (a very small bit - but a bit nevertheless) Shares are going nowhere. Gold to the moon. Quantitative easing everywhere.

But first things first - cost of credit going up so my guess is the banks themselves will raise interest rates even if the RBA don't.

BTW tomorrow is september and we still don't have a parliament. :D
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 11:16 AM

View Poststaringclown, on 31 August 2010 - 10:42 AM, said:

RBA (Debelle says their should be tighter rules around bank liquidity risk but asserts that the public purse should always bail them as it's "too important").


I can't believe the guy thinks the public needs to be the insurer. What insurance premium are the banks paying the nation? Worst of all he said it would have been excessive for banks to have held reserves to survive the possible occurrence of the GFC without public backing. He doesn't realise if the reserves had been higher the GFC wouldn't have happened in the first place because there would have been no angle for speculators to attack the system and/or participants of the markets to lose faith in the system.

http://www.smh.com.a...0831-148od.html
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 12:13 PM

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"We think frankly for the next 10 years that capital is going to be a very scarce commodity," Mr Malcolm said. "Availability of funding is going to be - for everyone - around, but a lot more expensive.


A lot more? What does he mean, a lot more? Will the wholesale rate be 27% by Christmas? Or something else? I wish these people could be more specific when they are catastrophising.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 12:26 PM

View Posttux, on 31 August 2010 - 08:53 AM, said:

Weren't the retail figures up in July 2010? Proving once again that interest rate rises can be absorbed by Australians. There are truckloads of money sloshing around, and plenty of scope for rate rises.


http://www.theage.co...0831-14aag.html

http://www.theage.co...0831-14axb.html
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 12:33 PM

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"We think frankly for the next 10 years that capital is going to be a very scarce commodity," Mr Malcolm said. "Availability of funding is going to be - for everyone - around, but a lot more expensive.


I am not seeing this in the TD's. Things seem to be steady in deposit rates where I'm sitting.

The only institution which has very gradually been raising their deposit rate is Ubank and even then there's a catch.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 12:35 PM

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Believe it when it actually happens.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 06:22 AM

Rumours are circulating in the lower Pitt St precinct that, now the Gillard-Abbott deck has been cleared, the banks are about to announce an out of cycle interest rate rise.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 06:48 AM

View PostMaria Santa B.A., on 07 September 2010 - 06:22 AM, said:

Rumours are circulating in the lower Pitt St precinct that, now the Gillard-Abbott deck has been cleared, the banks are about to announce an out of cycle interest rate rise.


Good, that'll be the final nail in the housing market coffin here in Perth along with the mining tax. Hopefully, savings rate will increase.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 07:18 AM

View PostChimerica, on 07 September 2010 - 06:48 AM, said:

Good, that'll be the final nail in the housing market coffin here in Perth along with the mining tax. Hopefully, savings rate will increase.


It does feel like it is close here in Perth doesn't it. Back east when I look at my future things do not look so "optimistic". In one part of one suburb with about 500 dwellings their is only one house for sale! Damn fancy school catchment areas.

Compare that to my local in Perth and out of 2000 homes nearly 400 are for sale. Granted 100 are part of a new development but still this has to be putting a ceiling on prices, or more than a ceiling, probably a dead weight.

I have been disappointed before but I think Perth is about to fall in price and hard...
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 08:06 AM

View PostMaria Santa B.A., on 07 September 2010 - 06:22 AM, said:

Rumours are circulating in the lower Pitt St precinct that, now the Gillard-Abbott deck has been cleared, the banks are about to announce an out of cycle interest rate rise.

Thats the chatter I'm hearing as well. Due to higher overseas funding costs and paying higher deposit IRs. :starwars:
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 09:01 AM

View PostMaria Santa B.A., on 07 September 2010 - 06:22 AM, said:

Rumours are circulating in the lower Pitt St precinct...

Ha! The chattering class :gossip: :phone1:

The banks are constantly grooming for an out of cycle rate rise. You reckon they'll do it?
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 09:32 AM

View Posttom, on 07 September 2010 - 07:18 AM, said:

It does feel like it is close here in Perth doesn't it. Back east when I look at my future things do not look so "optimistic". In one part of one suburb with about 500 dwellings their is only one house for sale! Damn fancy school catchment areas.

Compare that to my local in Perth and out of 2000 homes nearly 400 are for sale. Granted 100 are part of a new development but still this has to be putting a ceiling on prices, or more than a ceiling, probably a dead weight.

I have been disappointed before but I think Perth is about to fall in price and hard...



My general observations for Perth and surrounds are:

Mandurah and SW screwed and declining at an even faster rate of late. Wondering where all the cashed up mining peeps are putting their money, defo not into SW real estate and holiday homes. Just driving down South to Bussleton and the amount of housing estates and projects underway are unreal and yet tons of existing property up for sale there.

South of the River, in the doldrums, stock building up and prices were falling ahead of NOR yet after Mandurah and surrounds. Plenty of cheapo houses on the market.

Perth North of River, a bit more resilient and did hold up better than SOR but now declining. Cheap FHB suburbs now aren't shifting, low levels of sold/under offers. Well priced top end are selling but lots of competiton in the $1million+ market. Outer NOR is diving, even beachside. Yanchep and surrounds are disaster zones - mini California-esque.

Semi rural bush areas are completly stagnant, no tree change market here. The Vines and Ellenbrook are going to be hammered, you can feel and sniff it there, so much land, such ridiculous prices are being asked for in the Vines that I could see 50% drops there, no problems.

With Mandurah apparently having 2+ years stock on the market and prices declining then I can only see it dragging down the rest of the Perth WA market. Mandurah will become cheap, people will buy there therfore leaving other areas unsold and they'll eventually have to compete in price.

Don't forget, Perth is a top spot for UK migrants and up until a couple of years back, property was priced at Kmart prices for them. I used to see the UK tourists salivate in the RE windows and almost see their minds ticking over of what they could get if they sold up and relocated here. Doesn't happen now and migrants are going drop in numbers unless GBP has an almighty recovery.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 10:38 AM

View PostChimerica, on 07 September 2010 - 09:32 AM, said:

My general observations for Perth and surrounds are:



Nice summary.
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Posted 07 September 2010 - 11:03 AM

View PostPlonk, on 07 September 2010 - 09:01 AM, said:

Ha! The chattering class :gossip: :phone1:

The banks are constantly grooming for an out of cycle rate rise. You reckon they'll do it?

The traders that move the bond market are not chattering class.
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Posted 08 September 2010 - 04:04 AM

Who'll be first?

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THE big Australian banks are forecast to independently lift key mortgage rates, to take advantage of the current political environment.
An analysis by Credit Suisse has found the major banks could raise their rates by up to 20 basis points, outside of the official cycle with the Reserve Bank of Australia.

A move of that size would ease the current pressure from higher funding costs but also increase the banks net interest margins, a key barometer of profitability.

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Westpac currently has the highest standard variable rate of 7.51 per cent, compared to ANZ's 7.41 per cent, CBA's 7.36 per cent and NAB's 7.24 per cent.

"A price leader needs to emerge," Mr Martin said.

"We see CBA as the most natural price leader that needs to emerge to allow industry-wide mortgage rate increases to be effected," he said.

The analysis found that if mortgage rates were hiked by 20 basis points, each of the banks would experience an increase in their net interest margin.

CBA's net interest margin would move from 2.04 per cent to 2.13 per cent while Westpac’s would lift from 2.27 to 2.37 per cent.

The impact at the banks with smaller mortgage books would be less significant. ANZ’s margin would rise from 2.42 per cent to 2.49 per cent and NAB from 2.25 per cent to 2.31 per cent.

http://www.theaustra...f-1225915830776
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Posted 08 September 2010 - 05:10 AM

View PostBernard L. Madoff, on 08 September 2010 - 04:04 AM, said:



I'm confused. Maybe put me down for the 58% of people with up to level 2 numeracy skills?

Surely increasing your interest rate by 0.2% would increase your interest margin by 0.2%? Is it because deposit rates increase automatically following a mortgage rate increase? i.e. customers who have both deposit and loan accounts expect some correlation between the two?

but the important thing is possible rises on the way. Thats the good news part of the story!
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Posted 08 September 2010 - 05:37 AM

View Posttom, on 08 September 2010 - 05:10 AM, said:

Surely increasing your interest rate by 0.2% would increase your interest margin by 0.2%? Is it because deposit rates increase automatically following a mortgage rate increase? i.e. customers who have both deposit and loan accounts expect some correlation between the two?


Hmmmm a derivative factor? Stumps me.

Wait for the howls. The prepare/soften chatter on blogs and finance reports is a few days old so it won't be long.
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