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#2281 User is offline   boz 

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Posted Today, 01:38 AM

View Postcobran20, on 18 May 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

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you might find it funny cobran but reality is not that far.
Greece is very much to the point where they are ready giving up democracy to fix the biggest problem, you can see that from polls.
It is quite serious when you think Greece is the example of failure of Democracy
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Posted Today, 02:24 AM

View Postboz, on 19 May 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

you might find it funny cobran but reality is not that far.
Greece is very much to the point where they are ready giving up democracy to fix the biggest problem, you can see that from polls.
It is quite serious when you think Greece is the example of failure of Democracy


You have two candidates, who do you vote for?

.....................privilege

.......................austerity


This is why democracy doesn't work.
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#2283 User is offline   wulfgar 

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Posted Today, 11:45 AM

http://www.theaustra...8-1226360591392

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Eurozone crisis

Greek banks 'close to collapse'
  • by: Peter Wilson, Europe Correspondent
  • From: The Australian
  • May 19, 2012 12:00AM

THE Greek banking system could collapse before the country holds a repeat election in four weeks' time, one of Europe's most senior bankers warned yesterday.

As Greek politicians argued over whether a victory for anti-austerity parties in the June 17 election would force the country out of the euro, HSBC chief executive Stuart Gulliver said the country's financial system might not even last that long.

"A month is a very long way away. Markets (could) take things into their own hands before June 17," said Mr Gulliver, whose bank is the biggest in Britain. His warning came as anxiety grew about possible runs on banks in Greece and Spain, with the Fitch ratings agency warning all 17 eurozone countries faced credit downgrades and higher borrowing costs if the election result threatened Greece's place in the euro.

Moody's downgraded 16 Spanish banks over fears that their government would be unable to protect them from "contagion" after a Greek euro exit, and Madrid was forced to deny that account-holders have already started to pull money out of Bankia, the country's third-largest bank.


Greece has only 2.2 per cent of the EU's population but its election will be more closely watched than any in its history because of fears that a win for anti-austerity parties could shake the whole euro project and cause a new global credit crunch by seeing the first departure from the eurozone.

Richard McGuire, a bond strategist at Rabobank, said the Greek crisis was hurting other vulnerable countries because even though it was only a small economy, Greece "is as important to the eurozone as a plug is to a bath".

Some analysts predicted that a messy Greek exit from the euro could cost the eurozone a staggering €1 trillion ($1.280 trillion), pushing the continent into several more years of recession.

The fears over the euro yesterday led US President Barack Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron to intervene by pressuring Germany and France to take bolder action to promote growth in Europe and patch up the weaknesses in the euro.

Mr Cameron used a video conference between the leaders of Europe's four largest economies, Germany, France, Britain and Italy, to say the eurozone countries must strengthen financial firewalls to stop the Greek situation becoming a global problem.

And the White House made it clear that at the G8 summit in Maryland this weekend Mr Obama would side with new French President Francois Hollande on his calls for Germany to allow an easing of Europe's austerity drive. G8 leaders and "sherpas" who would usually struggle to name Greece's finance minister were anxiously studying the prospects of the small hard Left and far Right parties, which prospered in the country's May 6 election by promising to break the "barbaric" bailout conditions imposed on the country by the eurozone and the International Monetary Fund.

Polls show that those parties, especially the radical Left Syriza, would do even better in the repeat election, which was called after coalition talks ended in deadlock.

The campaign began yesterday with a backlash by Greece's traditional ruling parties New Democracy and Pasok against the claim by Syriza's firebrand leader Alexis Tsipras that Greece could have it both ways, rejecting the austerity measures but staying in the euro.

That debate is the central battleground of the campaign, as polls show that three-quarters of Greeks want to remain in the euro but most believe Mr Tsipras's argument that Greece's neighbours would not dare to punish it for breaking its austerity promises because of their fears of contagion.

Antonis Samaras, leader of Syriza's main rival, the centre-right New Democracy, said Mr Tsipras was lying by pretending Germany, other European nations and the IMF would back off from their declarations that breaking the bailout agreements would mean default and an exit from the euro.

The election "is about whether Greece will remain in Europe, a Europe which is itself changing, or if Greece will be found to leave Europe, losing much and risking even more," Mr Samaras said.

Breaking the commitments that Greece gave in return for €240bn in bailout funds would mean a return to the drachma, which would halve bank savings, wages and property prices, he said.

"This is the nightmare that those who speak of a unilateral condemnation (of the loan agreement) will bring ... the horror and isolation of a euro exit and the collapse of all that we have built."

Mr Tsipras said his rivals and Greece's foreign lenders were all bluffing the Greek people to try to "blackmail" voters into sticking with the austerity program of cuts to pensions, wages and public spending. "They are trying to terrorise the people to make Syriza cave in. We will never compromise," he said. "The Greek people voted for an end to the bailout and barbaric austerity. We are certain they will do the same (again)."



Yawn!
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Posted Today, 11:47 AM

View Postboz, on 17 May 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

Don't understand what you mean Cobran. If Greece leave the euro the ECB has got nothing to do with greece anymore, the ECB will not fund greek banks anymore, greek government would have to print the new currency and convert all deposit with those and banks would be bailed out by government and have the supply with those new notes, euro will cease to be used by banks in greece


This is what I'm talking about:

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... The dollar is benefiting from the euro debt crisis. In the short term, the temporary strength in the dollar could continue, although yesterday Ms. Merkel strongly implied that she is willing to support printing money for Greece....



If Germany/ECB is willing to drop its pants and bend over to Greek threats to exit the Euro Club, then Greece can remain a club member!
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Posted Today, 11:58 AM

depends who europe wants more, greeks or germans? if i was germans id be riotting, and burning buildings until either we left or greece did, f*ck bailing them out. f*cker what merkel does, things would burn on my watch if they decided ot bail greece out, again and again FOREVER because thats how long it takes for a junkie to stop.
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Posted Today, 12:16 PM

View Postcobran20, on 19 May 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

This is what I'm talking about:

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If Germany/ECB is willing to drop its pants and bend over to Greek threats to exit the Euro Club, then Greece can remain a club member!


Or they'll let greece exit and make such a punitive example of greece that no other country dares contemplate the consequences of imitating. They terminate the relationship with extreme prejudice and try to cauterise the wound.
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Posted Today, 01:06 PM

View Postcobran20, on 19 May 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

This is what I'm talking about:

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If Germany/ECB is willing to drop its pants and bend over to Greek threats to exit the Euro Club, then Greece can remain a club member!


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yesterday Ms. Merkel strongly implied that she is willing to support printing money for Greece....

Cobran, I wouldn't believe she would take that side even if seen her saying it.
In any case the EU central bank that print money is more independent then other central banks and politicians have not much power on it. EU is giving money to greece on condition they balance their expenses. But sure Merkel and other see that greece gdp dropping ear after year with zero confidence is not good either, so it is more about negotiating a better compromise
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Posted Today, 07:05 PM

There is no way on this earth that Greece would willingly leave an easy ride like the Euro!!!!!:lol:

Leaving the Euro would completely bankrupt Greece because the drachma simply would not trade, Greece would simply be another Zimbabwe!

Greece has simply no choice other than to follow EFSF proscription or find the money is cut off.

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yesterday Ms. Merkel strongly implied that she is willing to support printing money for Greece


I think I hear a mouse squeaking, "want some cheese mousy".:hug:

Meanwhile back at the printing press.

The ECB has printed 4.9% more cash yoy. Minus 1.5% = 3.4% real monetary inflation rate.

The FED has printed 10% more cash yoy, minus 1.5% we get 8.5% real monetary inflation rate.

I can tell you which party is shooting up on all the heroin!!!:punk:

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