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Posted 04 November 2010 - 08:36 AM

View PostBernard L. Madoff, on 04 November 2010 - 08:22 AM, said:



I support Faber on this matter - the Fed will have QE1, 2, 3... n. This will result in higher precious metal prices, lower $US (duh!), higher stock prices (remember Zimbabwe) and higher interest rates. They will pullback on bloating the money supply only long after they feel the economy is on the road to recovery - and high inflation is well & truly baked into the economy. When they begin to shrink the money supply, remember to bail out of stocks and probably gold!
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#62 User is offline   Bernard L. Madoff 

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 10:23 AM

View Postcobran20, on 04 November 2010 - 08:36 AM, said:

I support Faber on this matter - the Fed will have QE1, 2, 3... n. This will result in higher precious metal prices, lower $US (duh!), higher stock prices (remember Zimbabwe) and higher interest rates. They will pullback on bloating the money supply only long after they feel the economy is on the road to recovery - and high inflation is well & truly baked into the economy. When they begin to shrink the money supply, remember to bail out of stocks and probably gold!

When?

Japan has had zirp since 99 and QE since 2001 with no end in sight.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 10:41 AM

View PostBernard L. Madoff, on 04 November 2010 - 10:23 AM, said:

When?

Japan has had zirp since 99 and QE since 2001 with no end in sight.

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I think a lot of Japan's problems are caused by their ageing demographics. Commodity prices are rising. Nothing stopping Ben from its QE being spent more directly on consumers via programs similar to what Krudd did with schools, home insulation, etc. We gained a big boost in (wasted) spending and a deficit to boot! Whilst the stock markets don't roll over, it can only mean inflation ahead.
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Posted 04 November 2010 - 12:05 PM

View Postcobran20, on 04 November 2010 - 10:41 AM, said:

I think a lot of Japan's problems are caused by their ageing demographics. Commodity prices are rising. Nothing stopping Ben from its QE being spent more directly on consumers via programs similar to what Krudd did with schools, home insulation, etc. We gained a big boost in (wasted) spending and a deficit to boot! Whilst the stock markets don't roll over, it can only mean inflation ahead.

Japan's Nikkei rolled, rallied, rolled, rallied etc

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 01:59 PM

The Nikkei rally from 2003 - 2007 was 140%.
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Posted 04 November 2010 - 09:46 PM

View PostBernard L. Madoff, on 04 November 2010 - 01:59 PM, said:

The Nikkei rally from 2003 - 2007 was 140%.


The comparison between the Nikkei post 1989 and current western markets is no longer vaalid. The Nikkei top, like the Nasdaq in 2000, was quickly down, even allowing for the 50% retracement rally that initially occurred. It is now over 1.5 years since the March 2009 bottom and we're still rising. I'd say that we're most likely climbing a bull market's wall of worry. The bloating of the money supply seems to be quickly reaching the stock markets. I'd have to see the July lows get decisively smashed before we can conclude that we're in a bear market again.
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Posted 04 November 2010 - 09:56 PM

View Postcobran20, on 04 November 2010 - 09:46 PM, said:

The bloating of the money supply seems to be quickly reaching the stock markets. I'd have to see the July lows get decisively smashed before we can conclude that we're in a bear market again.

Do you mean situations like:
  • QE2 plans announced = market goes up
  • Slashing of spending in Europe = market goes up
  • Unemployment increases but less than expected = market goes up
What would the market do if employement increased?


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Posted 04 November 2010 - 10:12 PM

View PostDose, on 04 November 2010 - 09:56 PM, said:

Do you mean situations like:
  • QE2 plans announced = market goes up
  • Slashing of spending in Europe = market goes up
  • Unemployment increases but less than expected = market goes up
What would the market do if employement increased?




I don't know what the market will do if employment rose - I'd have to consult the chicken guts at the time!::)

What I'm saying is, like Zimbabwe, people are putting their money in things that are rising to try to maintain their purchasing power. Whether through direct intervention or via the Fed' 'friends', money seems to be going in stocks. This seems to be happening for most western stock markets. Until things roll over, the trend is still up.
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Posted 04 November 2010 - 10:14 PM

The Done Deal: QE2.x, China To Cash in Treasury's, Dollar to Devalue, Yuan Rise

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Today's announcement of Quantitative Easement 2.x was not a surprise. QE2.x refers to the fact that the FED had previously revealed it would be purchasing Treasury's with incoming moneys from mortgage payments of principal and interest and mortgage payoffs. This had been estimated as between $200 and $300 billion over the next year. Today added $600 billion to that in instant money creation, also known as "printing" over the next six months.

Hints have been dropping everywhere lately that the goal actually IS to create inflation and to devalue the US dollar in an orderly manner. Most aware investors have known intuitively for some time that inflation and devaluation is the inevitable outcome, but it has been confirmed by people in the know a number of times recently. The puzzling part has been why QE2.x is necessary at this time. It came down to "what do THEY know that we don't know?" We've all seen the lists of possible causes existing behind the screen. This in itself has resulted in political and market anxiety. Volatility. Where is the shoe that hasn't dropped yet? Bank failures we don't know about but they do know about? The lists go on.

Why couldn't Bernanke produce a clear explanation? He's the self-admitted expert on curing depressions, but he's been amazingly silent or vague. Why did some peripheral FED officers--Kansas
City's Hoenig comes to mind--keep insisting QE wasn't necessary and could be dangerous? It could be part of an overall plan or perhaps he's simply out of the loop. What were the G7, IMF/World Bank, G20, and US/Chinese meetings really all about? Did the looming elections keep a lid on it all.

How does it all fit together? It comes together just the way it looks, as a friend always refers to clues being hidden "right out in the open". One key to "getting it" is the size of QE2.x, of about $900 billion which is close to the size of Chinese Central Bank holdings of US Treasury's. The real deal in QE2.x is that China and the US have negotiated to redeem China's T Notes and Bonds over the next six to twelve months during which time there will be a staged progressive float of the yuan. This deal is the inflation and devaluation the FED thinks we need, the currency float the Treasury and Congress think we need, and the cashing in of their huge hoard of Treasurys the Chinese think they need. This is the equivalent of Roosevelt's resetting the gold price in 1934, greatly devaluing the dollar, and supposedly jump-starting the economy. This is China's long hoped-for gain on their US bonds. This is the capstone of Bernanke's career of studying the 1930's. This will be done, they all hope, in an orderly manner. Only the citizens of the US will suffer an enormous loss of purchasing power! The clear judgement is that they are too dumb to know what's happening to them. Central banks never want us to know.



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Posted 04 November 2010 - 10:17 PM

Copper to gold ratio since 1900

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That the ratio has been swimming in the shallows since the demise of Bretton Woods suggests that our paper money has been on the wane for many years. Financial deregulation, that took off post the floating of currencies and the onset of the oil crisis, had been the catalyst for this trend. With the unfolding of the Great Moderation, that commenced in the early 80′s, the expansion of credit reached its apogee. Until the GFC that is. Since then its been left to governments to keep the credit balloon afloat.

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Can the Fed credibly argue that it is not monetising the Treasury’s debt when expectations are that the Fed will effectively buy all of this year’s debt issuance? (The consensus budget deficit estimate for FY11 is $1.214 trillion versus 12 months of QE at $100bn per month.) They can try – as suggested by this exchange at the Treasury Borrowing Advisory Committee (here):

It was pointed out by members of the Committee that the Fed and the Treasury are independent institutions, with two different mandates that might sometimes appear to be in conflict. Members agreed that Treasury should adhere to its mandate of assuring the lowest cost of borrowing over time, regardless of the Fed’s monetary policy. A couple members noted that the Fed was essentially a “large investor” in Treasuries and that the Fed’s behavior was probably transitory. As a result, Treasury should not modify its regular and predictable issuance paradigm to accommodate a single large investor.

This is like the lung arguing that the heart is an irrelevant patsy in its oxygen sequestering scheme.

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The Bank of England was established in 1694 with the single mandate to buy the sovereign’s debt. William of Orange was caught up in the Nine Year war with France and had cleared his coffers by this time. The Fed is simply returning to its roots.

That the birth of the BoE happened to occur in a period of currency debasement that was forestalled in 1696 by 25% inflation and the Great Recoinage (overseen by none other than Isaac Newton and John Locke) that lead to a default by the BoE followed ultimately by the introduction of the British Gold standard is just coincidence. Funny, too, that it was when credit was first beginning to blossom in the English economy.

As the Duke of Beaufort remarked 5 May, 1696 (from a paper by Charles Larkin here):

…at this time all money is refused unless it be new money or very broad, of which there is but little stirring. I was forced to enter my name in a book to pay for my dinner, for they choose rather to trust than take even passable sixpences. The Exchequer had a double guard these two days, and the common people began to grow a little mutinous.

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The GFC was the defribullator – a quick shock to kick start the pulse. You can see it in the copper/gold ratio – a spike in demand for money. Since then the US has adopted its QE strategy, and the flight of capital out of the US$ and into commodities, junk bonds and emerging markets has begun in earnest. Even the US equity market has benefited at least in devalued US$ terms. But that of course was the objective.

All else being equal, the liklihood is that the Fed will continue down this road until it becomes untenable. The swinging pendulum will take us back to a capital controlled world – a reincarnation of the spirit of Bretton Woods. Where credit is more tightly controlled and money is tight. Basel III is only the beginning. When that time comes, it might be time to short gold and buy copper.
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I might add to the last sentence, it would also be time to exit stocks as well as gold.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 10:19 PM

Trade flows following currency movements

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Follow-up on an earlier post (here) where we suggested that recent moves in currencies were impacting trade flows, Markit (here) reports that world trade was up in October lead by exports from developed economies – and in particular the US.

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Note that new export orders for Australia, Brazil and Russia were all down for the month. While China and India were the laggards in export growth. The USD and EUR leading the way.

To see the AUD currency effect from a different perspective, here is the latest RBA Commodity price index. Note the climb in the AUD continues to outpace commodity prices:

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 01:20 AM

Commodity price increases in USD over 12 months as Bernanke went feral in currency debasement...

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 09:45 AM

Looks like Ben is planning to hurt the yanks badly in the hip pocket!

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 09:50 AM

View Postcobran20, on 05 November 2010 - 09:45 AM, said:

Looks like Ben is planning to hurt the yanks badly in the hip pocket!

You been reading my facebook page? :thumbsup: :laugh:

I just commented that Ben's ethos of higher stock prices flowing positively into the broader economy will backfire with higher commodities (eg Wheat) and will bash mainstreet through higher gasoline and heating oil.
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Posted 05 November 2010 - 09:51 AM

View Postcobran20, on 05 November 2010 - 09:45 AM, said:

Looks like Ben is planning to hurt the yanks badly in the hip pocket!

You been reading my facebook page? :thumbsup: :laugh:

I just commented that Ben's ethos of higher stock prices flowing positively into the broader economy will backfire with higher commodities (eg Wheat) and will bash mainstreet through higher gasoline and heating oil.
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Posted 05 November 2010 - 10:06 AM

Looks like that last rate rise was bad for the Xmas sales at the luxury end of the market!

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 10:39 AM

View Postcobran20, on 05 November 2010 - 10:06 AM, said:

Looks like that last rate rise was bad for the Xmas sales at the luxury end of the market!


Oops. Looks like the rate rise has hit the entire discretionary market. :o

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 10:53 AM

Who might be a beneficiary of a strong $A?

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 11:20 AM

View Postcobran20, on 05 November 2010 - 10:39 AM, said:

Oops. Looks like the rate rise has hit the entire discretionary market. :o

I recall Wulfgar calling for rate rises before Christmas, I think last year. Exactly for that reason too - reduce discretionary spending.

You can look forward to some decent discounts as I think retailers are going to be hammered big time.
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Posted 05 November 2010 - 11:55 AM

View PostMr Medved, on 05 November 2010 - 11:20 AM, said:

I recall Wulfgar calling for rate rises before Christmas, I think last year. Exactly for that reason too - reduce discretionary spending.

You can look forward to some decent discounts as I think retailers are going to be hammered big time.


...and I can go to ebay.com (NOT .au) and get the same sh*t for half the price.
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