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Wikileaks) Julian Assange is Just curious Rate Topic: -----

Poll: Wikileaks are evil. (15 member(s) have cast votes)

Julian assange is?

  1. a criminal, wants locking up. (1 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  2. A modern day martyr (7 votes [41.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.18%

  3. A very dangerous fellow indeed (2 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  4. other, please explain (7 votes [41.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.18%

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#101 User is online   tor 

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 02:41 AM

View PostUgg, on 27 January 2011 - 02:35 AM, said:

3. Put distance (e.g. technology) between killer and the killed. For example unmanned aircraft and precision missiles. Heard stories of guys doing 9-5 type jobs in US directing weapons in middle east (like playing video games all day) .

I don't know if that works. You would have to shield them from all knowledge of the impact of their actions. Humans are empathic as a rule. It might take longer for the realisation to dawn but I suspect it still would.

Roald Dahl had a good short story about some pilots getting drunk in the second world war which explored that idea a bit.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 11:03 PM

View Posttor, on 26 January 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

My opinion? They ought to have got a hottie to bone him senseless then ask him to come meet her sorority friends that she "shares everything with".


That Dikileaks thing again. Still, any guy my age who gets to bone a bunch of sorority chicks, for whatever reason, warrants some jealousy...

That's one thing I don't get about Assange, if the media isn't lying, why does he care what the worl knows about his bedroom activitity? So long as it isn't a blatant lie and continues to paint him in a stud-like light, shouldn't he be puffing his scrawny chest out over it?

View Posttor, on 26 January 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

Things like this however are good for my mental well being. If there is a giant conspiracy running the world they are about as incompetent as a non giant conspiracy.


Makes me smile. I used to wonder at the possibility of large conspiracy until I realised how difficult it would be for a group of humans to reach that level or organisation.

Still think there's something dodgy about 911 though.
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Posted 28 January 2011 - 02:45 AM

View Posttor, on 27 January 2011 - 02:41 AM, said:

I don't know if that works. You would have to shield them from all knowledge of the impact of their actions. Humans are empathic as a rule. It might take longer for the realisation to dawn but I suspect it still would.

Roald Dahl had a good short story about some pilots getting drunk in the second world war which explored that idea a bit.






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The conditions that turn good people bad
In order to understand the factors that lead good people to behave in a bad way, we can turn to the work of Albert Bandura[11]. Bandrua has spent many years studying the factors that lead to moral disengagement. His major findings can be summarised as follows:

Moral justification – behaviour is reconstructed so it is no longer deemed to be immoral. The clearest examples of such behaviour are wars in which the enemy is seen as a ruthless oppressor, and thus those fighting the war are morally justified.

Euphemistic labelling – language is very important as it shapes and frames our thoughts. Harmful conduct can be made seemingly respectable if it is given the right name. For instance, the euphemism of ‘resettlement’ for the mass murder, ‘voluntary refugee camps’ for concentration camps and ‘collateral damage’ for civilians killed during military actions.

Advantageous comparison – how behaviour is viewed is coloured by what it is compared against. Setting up off balance sheet entities to hide transactions may seem perfectly reasonable when compared to the evils of murder.

Displacement of responsibility – this is the key finding from Milgram’s work. People seem able to suspend moral judgement if a ‘legitimate’ authority accepts responsibility for their actions. The ‘I was only following orders’ defence.

Diffusion of responsibility – moral disengagement is easier in groups. Bandura et al[12] found that people acted far more cruelly under group responsibility than when they hold themselves personally accountable for their actions.

Disregard or distortion of consequences – it is easier to do the wrong thing when the consequences are ignored or minimised. The shareholder is a pretty abstract concept from a manager’s point of view, so the consequences of harming the shareholder may be easily minimised. In the same way, smart bombs and surgical strikes enable us to wage war from a distance never before known.

Dehumanisation – It is far easier to hurt or harm someone who we view as non-human. In the Bandura et al study cited above, in one of the experiments a group of subjects were led to believe that they were overhearing the research assistant tell the experimenter that the students from another college were ready to start the study in which the listeners would be administering electric shocks to these students from another college.

The exact phrasing they overheard was randomly selected from one of three possible choices. The visiting students were either described as ‘nice’, ‘animal-like’ or without any descriptive label. The shock intensity varied massively with the description the students overheard.

When the visitors were described as ‘animals’, the shock level rose linearly over ten rounds. Those labelled ‘nice’ were given the least shock. So, just overhearing a single word proved to be enough to dehumanise in this study. It is also worth noting the limits to self-control that we outlined in last week’s note. The more we use self-control, the less self control we have ready to use for the next occasion.



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Posted 28 January 2011 - 03:55 AM

View PostUgg, on 28 January 2011 - 02:45 AM, said:

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Yeah but that was short term and they were effectively shielded from people questioning the actions, which is what I was getting at.

Media coverage humanises the victims.

That is one of the reasons I think the real nasty groups keep all their activities secret. Partially for operational reasons of course but also so that there is no conflicting information received by the operators.
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Posted 01 February 2011 - 03:08 AM

For those interested in Melbourne there is an event on this Friday at Federation Square.

http://libertyvictor...day_4th_Feb.pdf

Speakers include:
Julian Assange - via an exclusive address recorded for this meeting
Jennifer Robinson - Assange's UK lawyer live by London videolink
Adam Bandt - Federal MP for Melbourne
Peter Gordon - Principal of Gordon Legal
Lizzie O'Shea - Melbourne public interest solicitor
Christopher Warren - Federal Secretary of Media, Entertainment &
Arts Alliance

Wikileaks has had a transformative effect on global politics and our
attitudes to government power and responsibility. The fate of the
organisation has powerful implications for the right to freedom of
speech, and therefore, our understanding of democracy.
Julian Assange will face court in extradition proceedings in Britain on
Monday 7 February 2011. This will be a public meeting to hear
speakers discuss Wikileaks and freedom of speech in the 21st century.

Wikileaks has had a transformative effect on global politics and our
attitudes to government power and responsibility. The fate of the
organisation has powerful implications for the right to freedom of
speech, and therefore, our understanding of democracy.
Julian Assange will face court in extradition proceedings in Britain on
Monday 7 February 2011. This will be a public meeting to hear
speakers discuss Wikileaks and freedom of speech in the 21st century.

When: Friday 4 February 2011
Time: 6pm sharp
Where: BMW Edge Theatre & Federation Square, cnr Swanston
and Flinders Streets.

Registration not required but seating is limited, please arrive promptly.




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Posted 13 February 2011 - 01:59 PM

View Posttor, on 26 January 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

As for your "Usually the journo does not get into sh*t for the leak" check your history. Nixon might be a start.


Found this old piece of analysis on ABC.net tonight:

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Julian Assange and the journalism defence


http://www.abc.net.a.../03/3128929.htm

also on the new york times / Nixon incident:

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New York Times Co. v. United States, 403 U.S. 713 (1971), was a United States Supreme Court per curiam decision. The ruling made it possible for the New York Times and Washington Post newspapers to publish the then-classified Pentagon Papers without risk of government censure.

President Richard Nixon had claimed executive authority to force the Times to suspend publication of classified information in its possession. The question before the court was whether the constitutional freedom of the press, guaranteed by the First Amendment, was subordinate to a claimed need of the executive branch of government to maintain the secrecy of information. The Supreme Court ruled that the First Amendment did protect the right of the New York Times' to print the materials.



http://en.wikipedia....._United_States
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 02:26 PM

The popular rising in Egypt is a direct result of wikileaks (and other ME locales).

Keep going. Share a thought for Brad Manning.

http://www.abc.net.a...aks/default.htm
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Posted 17 February 2011 - 02:54 AM

http://www.themonthl...-australia-3016
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Posted 19 March 2011 - 11:50 PM

17 March 2011 Last updated at 13:26 GMT
Wikileaks: Congress party 'bought India votes'
http://www.bbc.co.uk...h-asia-12768908

India's ruling Congress party bribed MPs to survive a crucial vote of confidence in 2008, a diplomatic cable leaked by Wikileaks suggests.

It describes how a senior Congress aide showed a US embassy official "chests of cash" to pay off MPs ahead of a vote over a controversial nuclear deal.

The ruling party has denied the allegations.

The leak heaps further pressure on embattled Prime Minister Manmohan Singh after a string of corruption scandals.

The leaked cable, reported in The Hindu newspaper, has caused uproar in the Indian parliament with the main opposition parties saying that Congress had "brought shame to the nation" and calling on the prime minister to resign.

'Chests of cash' The cable by US official Steven White said that the embassy employee had met Nachiketa Kapur, an aide of senior Congress leader Satish Sharma.

It says that Mr Kapur told the embassy employee that "money was not an issue at all, but the crucial thing was to ensure that those who took the money would vote for the government".

The embassy employee said he was shown "two chests containing cash and said that around $25m (£15.5m) was lying around the house for use as pay-offs".

Nachiketa Kapur denied the report, saying: "I vehemently deny these malicious allegations. There was no cash to point out to."

Satish Sharma told a news channel that he did not even have an aide called Nachiketa Kapur.

"I never had and still don't have a political aide," he said.

Mr Sharma is described as a "close associate of former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi [and] considered to be a very close family friend of [Congress party chief] Sonia Gandhi".

The cable said that Mr Kapur also claimed that MPs belonging to regional party Rashtriya Lok Dal (RLD) had been paid 100 million rupees ($2.5m; £1.5m) each to ensure they voted for the "right way".

RLD leader Ajit Singh has denied the charge and said that he was "opposed to the nuclear deal" and his party MPs "voted against the government".

These exchanges are alleged to have happened at the time of a controversial deal between India and the US which paved the way for India to massively expand its nuclear power capability.

The government's left-wing allies withdrew their support over the deal but the Congress party narrowly survived the vote despite substantial opposition.

If the government had lost the vote, India could have faced early elections. A defeat would have also put the nuclear deal in doubt.

Major scandals Accusations of vote-buying were also made at the time: opposition MPs waved wads of money in parliament alleging they were offered bribes to abstain.

Widespread corruption in India costs billions of dollars and threatens to derail the country's growth, a recent report by consultancy firm KPMG says.

The report says corruption is no longer just about petty bribes but about the major scandals where billions of dollars are allegedly siphoned off by government and industry.

India's Telecoms Minister Andimuthu Raja is under arrest on suspicion of underselling billions of dollars worth of mobile phone licences - he denies the allegations.

The government was also forced by the courts to quash the appointment of its anti-corruption commissioner, on the grounds that he himself faces corruption charges.

Congress was recently forced by the opposition to set up a cross-party investigation into corruption.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 01:45 AM

http://www.zerohedge...nk-america-disc

Apparently the file is around 600MB but uncompresses to about 60GB.
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Posted 03 September 2011 - 01:55 AM

Holy crap! 1.4Mb/s that's quick... the unzip will no doubt take longer than that...

I wish all file transfers were that quick, all done in less than ten minutes!
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Posted 26 January 2012 - 11:37 AM


Exclusive TV series hosted by Julian Assange to premiere on RT in March

http://maxkeiser.com...on-rt-in-march/
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