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Baltic Dry going south. What about the recovery?

#21 User is offline   cobran20 

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 12:26 AM

Shanghai shipping slump as IMF warns China on euro slump

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Shanghai shipping volumes contracted sharply in January as Europe's debt crisis curbed demand for Asian goods, stoking fresh doubts about the strength of the Chinese economy.

The shipping specialist Lloyd's List said container traffic through the Port of Shanghai - the world's largest - fell by 100,000 boxes in January from a year earlier, or 4pc. Volumes fell by over one million tonnes.

The figures may have been distorted by China's Lunar Year but there has been a relentless slide in the Shanghai transport data for months.

"China's shipping markets face grievous challenges," said the Shanghai International Shipping Institute. It acknowledged that the industry in the grip of downturn and likely to face a "worsening situation" in early 2012.

The biggest falls in container volumes have been on the Asia-Europe route.

The data came as the International Monetary Fund warned that China is vulnerable to the "clear and present danger emanating from Europe" and could see growth halve to roughly 4pc if the crisis escalates.

"China's growth rate would drop abruptly if the euro area experiences a sharp recession. In the unfortunate event such a downside scenario becomes reality, China should respond with a significant fiscal package," it said.

A fall in global growth by 1.75 percentage points would cut Chinese growth by more than twice as much unless Beijing took active steps to counter the shock, showing how distorted China's economic model has become.

"China would be highly exposed through trade linkages," it said. The report is a none-too-subtle reminder that China has a huge stake in Europe's stability and should be ready to stump up more money for an IMF-led rescue.

The Fund said China had "ample room" to boost stimulus by 3pc of GDP if need be, but warned against another credit blitz through the banking system or fresh infrastructure projects.

"China still has a long way to go to digest the side effects of the surge of credit unleashed in the wake of the global crisis. A large external shock would bring many of these domestic risks more forcefully to the forefront," it said.

The IMF fears that China had already pushed debt to safe limits. The ratio of loans to GDP has doubled to almost 200pc over the last five years - a larger jump than in the US during the sub-prime bubble.

Much of this leaked into property, exacerbated by interest rates on deposit accounts last year of minus 3pc in real terms that pushed investors into hard assets.

Credit curbs have punctured the bubble, but there are worries that this could go too far. Top developer China Vanke reported a 39pc fall in home sales in January, while Guangzhou R&F recorded a 57pc drop.

"Things will be very difficult in 2012: it will be a winter and a test for the entire industry," said Mao Daqing, Vanke's vice president. A price war before Christmas failed to halt the crash in sales.

Caixin Magazine said China's once-hot property market is "turning polar" and reported that Moody's fears Hong Kong-based developers may struggle to refinance foreign debt this year.

The IMF advised Beijing to stay the course on the housing curbs. If stimulus is needed, the authorities should run a bigger budget deficit with "targeted transfers and unemployment benefits".

In a remarkable twist, the IMF proposed direct subsidies for white goods, a sort of Chinese 'cash-for-clunkers'.

"A fiscal package should be the front line of defence," it said.



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Posted 07 February 2012 - 09:29 AM

View PostSolomon, on 20 January 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

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Looks like its harder than you think.
Aren't these things supposed to float??????



:) :)

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 12:39 PM

View Postcobran20, on 07 February 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

:) :)

Thanks cobran. :thumbsup:
I enjoyed that.
Needed a bit of a lift.

Aren't some people clever though?
It never ceases to amaze me - the comic mind, and humour in general.
Jokes take a lot of effort and insightful awareness to make them funny.
Yet at other times life is funnier than comedy.
Human stupidity is beyond comprehension at times. (Funniest Home Videos, Youtube, - case in point)
Catching mudcrabs with your bare hands!

Negotiating Gunshot Creek in Cape York - the wrong way.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 02:34 AM

We have an answer (at least a partial one) for the action of the Baltic index:

Chinese imports tank

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...imports contracted by 15.3% from a year earlier, which was well below the expected 3.6% contraction. On a month-on-month basis, exports fell by 14.2% and imports fell by 22.5% before seasonal adjustment...

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 05:34 AM

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 07:49 AM

so banks will soon be owning the worlds largest shipping fleet?
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:14 AM

View Postwulfgar, on 11 February 2012 - 05:34 AM, said:


I find that chart fascinating.
We live on the largest island on the planet, and we don't even register on the shipping ownership chart.
You'd think we of all countries would have a plethora of ships to both export and import our goods.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:37 AM

View PostSolomon, on 11 February 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

I find that chart fascinating.
We live on the largest island on the planet, and we don't even register on the shipping ownership chart.
You'd think we of all countries would have a plethora of ships to both export and import our goods.

That's because Australia is a vassal state of 25M in a world of 7B. You'll notice the major Australian trade partners are high up on the list... we are simply serving them!
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:17 PM

View PostMr Medved, on 11 February 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

That's because Australia is a vassal state of 25M in a world of 7B. You'll notice the major Australian trade partners are high up on the list... we are simply serving them!


What's the population of Greece as compared to Australia and how many ships do they have relative to Australia?
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:05 PM

View Postcobran20, on 11 February 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

What's the population of Greece as compared to Australia and how many ships do they have relative to Australia?

What's the population of Australia as compared to Greece and how many rocks do we have relative to Greece?

I'd suggest that Greece has a comparative advantage else companies would base themselves in Australia. Per capita South Korea makes a helluva lot more television sets than Australia does. You'll also notice our commodity padres from Brazil do not feature on that list.


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:30 PM

View Postcobran20, on 11 February 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

What's the population of Greece as compared to Australia and how many ships do they have relative to Australia?


Australia has a handful of islands. Greece has thousands of islands.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 02:05 AM

prob closer to do with work place relations and , OHS and general laws pertaining to ships and safe operations. as well as fees and gov charges. anyone could have the largest fleet in the world, just make it cheapest place with least number of rules, then they will flock here.

edit, but that dont explain why Germany is No, 3

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 05:08 AM

View PostSolomon, on 11 February 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

I find that chart fascinating.
We live on the largest island on the planet, and we don't even register on the shipping ownership chart.
You'd think we of all countries would have a plethora of ships to both export and import our goods.


Yes, but you only have to speculate in housing to get rich in Aus!
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:31 AM

SHIPPING IS A LEADING DEFLATIONARY INDICATOR
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 10:50 AM

The HARPEX Index is superior to the Baltic Dry Index!
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 10:26 PM

Here is yet another shipping index to monitor!

Global Trade Set for a Downturn?

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The World Trade Organization dealt a blow to the hopes of anyone hoping that the global economy might be showing signs of improvement in the coming months by announcing last week that it expects the rate of growth in global trade to fall again to only 3.7% from 5% — significantly below the 20-year average growth rate of 5.4%. That might not be the end of the story: “severe” downside risks could put a further dent in growth rates.

As this week’s Chart of the Week indicates, traffic through the Suez Canal in Egypt – a key cargo transportation route – has nosedived in recent weeks and months. Currently, Suez traffic is only slightly better than flat compared to year earlier levels. Unsurprisingly, perhaps, the trends in global GDP growth tend to mirror those in traffic transiting the Suez canal; it is logical that trade volumes would flag during periods of contraction or sluggish growth, as is most vividly illustrated by the close correlation between the two indicators at the height of the financial crisis from late 2008 through 2009.

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The Suez indicator isn’t a perfect one, of course. Estimates are that perhaps 8% of the world’s trade in goods travels the length of the canal that links the Mediterranean Sea – and Europe and North America – and the Persian Gulf leading into the Indian Ocean and ultimately the Pacific Ocean. On the other hand, given the otherwise scattered global trade routes and the difficulty gauging what cargoes are traveling on them, capturing 8% of global trade is enough to at least provide an indicator of what’s afoot.

Certainly, in this case, the Suez traffic seems to provide support for the WTO’s bearish forecast. As recently as 2010, the rate of growth in global trade, as measured by the WTO, was a whopping 13.8%, more than double the 20-year average growth rate.

If this cloud has any hint of a silver lining, it lies in the WTO’s provisional outlook for 2013 of a 5.6% increase in the rate of trade growth globally. We’ll continue to monitor this and other indicators of what lies ahead for the global economy in future editions of Chart of the Week.



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