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#201 User is offline   booboo 

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Posted 12 December 2011 - 11:07 AM

Limited internet here, so only a quick summary.

The auction market keeps weakening, even after the two rate cuts. 50% clearance rate, with over another 200 unreported. Even so, a noticeable drop in volume this week, which continues into next week. That being said, next week still has an unseasonable number of auctions scheduled, with over 450 planned. The median continues to hover around the low $700,000s, at $725k.

That result will be seen as disappointing, and the auction clearance rates seem to be finishing on yet another low note.

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Sydney Auction Results
Saturday 10th December 2011

Property Snapshot
Total Properties: 437
Sold: 254
Withdrawn: 66
% Cleared: 50%
Total Sales: $184,392,400
Median: $725,000

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 01:52 AM

Black Dragon's latest SQM newsletter had some great graphs regarding the accuracy and unreported rates for APM clearance rates.

They were reproduced in the following MacroBusiness article:

http://www.macrobusi...n-house-prices/
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Posted 15 December 2011 - 11:59 AM

Limited time and internet access again.

Sydney's auction clearance rates slightly up to 45.5% from 44.5%, but still languishing in the mid 40s. Volume roughly consistent with the last few weeks at 781, excluding Super Saturday. Unseasonably high number of auctions next week means one more significant week of auctions for the year, however, the seasonal drop in auction rates is occurring, meaning another likely week of mid-40s to come.



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Posted 17 December 2011 - 09:22 AM

A huge drop in the Sydney median has occurred this weekend. It looks like Sydney has turned into Melbourne overnight. Will Melbourne turn into Brisbane next weekend? Will Brisbane turn into Hobart the weekend after that?

Equity...and it's gone!

No jobs, no incomes, no debt leverage, no bidding war, no asset price floors, no limit to realised losses.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 09:04 PM

View Postsydney3000, on 17 December 2011 - 09:22 AM, said:

A huge drop in the Sydney median has occurred this weekend.

A Fairfax Senior Economist blames the pesky first home buyer:
Buyers in Frenzy

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THE looming end to stamp duty concessions for NSW's first home buyers led to a surge in properties up for pre-Christmas auction in Sydney yesterday.
...'The stamp duty deadline is getting first home buyers out and about in Sydney,'' he said. ''They are really holding up the market at present.''







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Posted 17 December 2011 - 10:57 PM

One could say:

a. If it was only true.
b. It must be doubly true.

Volume was down 20% on the previous weeks which means:

a. There was no first time buyer surge outweighing non-first time buyers but an overall collapse in buying interest.
b. Due to the lower volume and the unusual tilt to first-time buyers the other segments of the market are pronounced dead and this extremely low median is a lot closer to the real value of the market than any of the medians we have seen over the past decade.

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 04:45 AM

Last auction weekend for the year, and really, last notable auction weekend until the end of Feb. And, it went off with a real whimper.

50% Sydney clearance rate from APM, the lowest for the year (although last weekend's headline rate was also 50%). And, it continued the trend of weakening clearance rates - starting from most recent first (the previous weekend), we have: 50%, 53%, 55%, 52%, 57%, 56%, 54%, 56%.

The reported volume dropped to 349 (466 total auctions were planned, according to APM), from 437 reported the previous weekend. The reported volume, however, was significant this week - being only slightly down on previous results, including "Super Saturday". As an example, "Super Saturday" had over 800 auctions planned, yet somehow only 401 reported.

The median, as mentioned above, plummeted. Saying it was due to FHBs (or, more precisely, sellers desperately tagetting the FHBs) might be fair enough, although FHBs are generally not the targets of auctions. The median of $561.5k was the lowest of the year, compared to $725k the week before. Just weeks ago, in the tail of the traditionally strong (but this year weak) Spring selling season, we had seen median values above $800k for just a couple weeks in a row before the falling trend to this week. The total sales of $128.1M (avg $612.8k) were also rather low, compared to the previous weeks of $184,392k (avg $726k), $196.9M (avg $841.4k), $204.8M (avg $787.5k) for "Super Saturday", and $175.5M (avg $773.2k).

And that is that for auction results for 2011 from APM. Altogether we can say they were down a bit on 2010, underwhelming when compared to 2009 in particular, and weak histortically. All this despite APM's predictions to the contrary. We were also rewarded with record spreads between the preliminary results for APM clearance rates for Saturdays and RP Data's clearance rates for the week (including a particularly farcical week where APM reported an initial 70% clearance rate, then quietly revised it down about to 60%, but SQM more accurately predicts it in the low 50s due to the masses of still unreported auction results a week later).

What can we look forward to in 2012? No idea.

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Sydney Auction Results
Saturday 17th December 2011
Property Snapshot
Total Properties: 349
Sold: 209
Withdrawn: 68
% Cleared: 50%
Total Sales: $128,079,000
Median: $561,500

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Posted 19 December 2011 - 08:16 AM

Thanks for the summary Booboo.

Just saying, so you know you have an appreciative audience.
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Posted 22 December 2011 - 07:33 AM

A surprising result from RP Data to finish the year, with a jump in Sydney clearance rates to 50.6%; however, coincidentally (or, perhaps not so much) the unreported rate also jumped to 20% and their number of withdrawn auctions is suspiciously low (well, obviously way too low, given the number of withdrawn auctions reported by APM for Saturday alone was 10 higher than RP Data's total withdrawn auctions for the week).

The 50.6% clearance rate (ignoring the jump in unreported rate) is a big rebound from the previous weeks of 44.5% and 45.5%, and it was also higher than APM's preliminary result (the first time that has happened in a while). The jump to around 50% is a return to the clearance rates of three weeks ago, when it ended a run of three weeks (just) over 50% in a row.

The volume was still quite high, surprisingly, for the weekend before Christmas with 620 auctions, from 781 auctions the week before. The unreported rate, however, spiked up to 20% from its usual level of 14% - 16% on a lower number of auctions (this is the highest result in a while, apart from the weird 27% result from "Super Saturday"). The withdrawn rate, a little bizarrely, took a big tumble, falling to 11.6% from 14.5% and 17.5% previously (generally it has tracked around 14% - 17%),

Why am I so suspicious of these results from RP Data? Several reasons - there's the spike in unreported; there's the drop in withdrawn rate, which is obviously false given that the number of withdrawn auctions for the week according to RP Data - 58 - which is 10 less than the 68 withdrawn auctions reported in APM's preliminary results for Saturday alone!; then there is there the fact that it was a last weekend for the year, coming on several weaker weekends before it. Bit of a disappointing note to end the year on from RP Data - an untrustworthy result (I'm not blaming RP Data here).


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:25 AM

Damn RP Data have changed how their website is structured. I can't even find the auction results now on myrpdata.com.au - if anyone can find it, please let me know. Unfortunately, we have also lost all the old pictures which show the result of past auctions from RP Data.

realestate.com.au still carries a brief summary at http://www.rs.reales...n/rsearch?a=ars - Sydney had 30% clearance rate for the week ending 22nd Jan, but only 10 reported auctions, so not yet statistically significant.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:30 AM

There's also this website:

http://www.realestat...on-results/nsw/

Which I suspect publish the RP Data results.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:35 AM

The above website gets its results from REINSW. The recent results have been aggregated since the end of last year:

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This week's figures reflect all sales reported to REINSW between 19/12/2011 and 28/01/2012.


From the above website:

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Clearance Rate 59%
Reported Auctions 377
Last week: 0
This week last year: 88

Sold prior to auction: 35
Passed in: 153
Sold at auction: 105
Passed onvendor's bid: 23
Sold after auction: 84
Withdrawn: 7
Total Volume: $110.31mil
Postponed: 1
No Result: 6



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Total Auction Houses: 270

Clearance Rate 60%
Median Price : $485,000


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Total Auction Vacant Land: 28

Clearance Rate 39%
Median Price: $260,000


The withdrawn look a little low to me, but whatever.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 02:48 AM

This year I will be trying to include data from the REINSW, which looks a lot more complete than the APM data. Like the RP Data auction results, it is weekly results, not for the Saturday only (like APM is), however it comes out in a more timely manner than the RP Data results. Incidentally, at this stage I am not even sure I will be able to find the RP Data results since they completely redid their myrpdata.com.au webpage.

Anyway, onto the APM results, with which I have two issues. One, is their shocking difference from the REINSW result, and two, is that it is statistically insignificant. Keep this is mind both for the great looking headline clearance rate and for the very weak looking median and average.

A strong headline clearance rate at 72%, but under a very small volume of 63 auctions plus 4 withdrawn.

The median and average are both well down to start the year, with the median at $600k and average of about $549.5k.

I would expect the clearance rate to drop and median/average to rise in the coming weeks.

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Sydney Auction Results
Saturday 4th February 2012
Property Snapshot
Total Properties: 63
Sold: 48
Withdrawn: 4
% Cleared: 72%
Total Sales: $26,374,950
Median: $600,000

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 03:04 AM

Now for the REINSW data, which they have unfortunately made it rather hard to cut and paste. I get around this by pasting into notepad first, so please bear with me if it looks a little weird sometimes. Also note that we also get a "no result" number, as well.

Headline clerance rate of 50% - anyone notice a slight difference to the APM results?

Note that their auction clearance rates do not seem to include withdrawn! Total sold at auction = 20 + 62 + 11 = 93. Total reported = 187. Total passed in = 94 (I assume this does not include withdrawn!). Total withdrawn = 10. So total reported = total sold 93 + total passed in 94 = 187. Clearance rate = 93 / 187 * 100= ~50%. Including withdrawn would make it 93 / 197 * 100 = ~47%. A notable difference!

Unreported rate was 16.5%. Total volume was ~$54M, or about $580.6k on average.

Note: unreported rate was calculated by: no result / (reported + no result). I am unsure if the denominator should include the withdrawn properties as well.

Interesting to note that the house median was lower than the apartment median. I wouldn't expect this to last.

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nsw Auction Results
Snapshot
Clearance Rate 50%
Reported Auctions 187
Last week: 78
This week last year: 258

Sold prior to auction: 20
Sold at auction: 62
Sold after auction: 11

Passed in: 94
Passed on vendor's bid: 12
Withdrawn: 10

Postponed: 1
No Result: 37

Total Volume: $54.01mil


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Total Auction Houses: 147
Clearance Rate 51%
Median Price : $550,500

Total Auction Flats/Apartments: 28
Clearance Rate 54%
Median Price: $605,100

Total Auction Vacant Land: 12
Clearance Rate 25%
Median Price: $260,250

Private Sales 627
Total Volume: $304.43mil

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 04:09 AM

Now the fun part: Dr Ando's delusional and one-eyed analysis.

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The clearance rate for the first weekend of the autumn home auction season in Sydney was strong but it is still too early to gauge the underlying sentiment of buyers.

The auction clearance rate of 71.6 per cent on Saturday was well above the 48.2 per cent reported for the corresponding weekend last year. But with only 76 properties offered at the weekend, compared with 111 last year, a clearer trend will not emerge until the number of properties on offer increases.


A clearer trend? There is no trend to a statistically insiginificant result, Dr Ando, you'd think a PhD in economics would understand that. Besides, if you look at the REINSW results, they display a clear trend with last year, unlike the APM results.

Of course, if you're unwilling to accept that the results were statistically insignificant, then of course you have a strong headline clearance rate and weak median and mean. So does Dr Ando mentions how the former was "strong", but he mentioned the latter was weak? Well, he mentions the median, but obviously it doesn't warrant further analysis, most likely because it does not agree with the picture he is trying to paint:

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Of the 63 reported auction results, four were withdrawn and 48 sold at an average of $550,000. The median price of houses sold was $595,025.


No mention of the median unit price, guess it was too low for Dr Ando to mention.

Of course, Dr Ando's non-sequitors bear analysing, as usual:

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Last year ended on a subdued note for the Sydney auction market with year-low clearance rates in December despite significant numbers of properties being offered for sale.


So obviously Dr Ando is impying their is positive correlation with auction clearance rates and the number of properties offered for sale. I am somewhat sceptical.

Anyway, so what's the outlook? Gotta be positive!

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This year is set to be one of gradual recovery in the Sydney market with median house prices expected to rise by between 3 and 5 per cent over the year.

First-home buyers will be quiet early in the year as demand from that group was brought forward at the end of last year.

But expect this to be offset by increased activity from change-up buyers in the middle price sector of the market and investors in the lower sectors - particularly the unit market - that will keep buyer activity ticking along.

Although the prestige market will remain relatively subdued initially, expect some momentum to build through the year on the back of increased activity by aspirational buyers seeking value in quality properties in prestige locations, particularly in the $2 million to $3 million price range.

Unemployment in Sydney has increased in recent months, but the outlook remains positive despite indications of further job shedding, particularly in the finance sector.

The positive outlook will be enhanced by a further fall in official interest rates expected to be announced by the Reserve Bank board after its meeting tomorrow.


The one thing with Dr Ando is that when he tells us to "expect" something, you know it won't happen.

And don't look too close at Dr Ando's "analysis" - or you'll see the myriad of holes. Yes, he did just say that those properties in the $2M to $3M price range will start "subdued", then see "momentum" because people will buy them because they are cheap (read: "seeking value in quality properties"). That's right, the ol' "houses can't fall because if they fall people will jump in because they see value" argument. Just a little more cleverly worded, but just as dumb. Dr Ando really does not think highly of his readers, does he?

Even better is the way he swats off the problem of increased unemployment like na irksome fly. None of his usual "analysis" is even required for this one, all that he needs to tell us is that "the outlook remains positive", despite all indicators to the contrary.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 01:25 AM

It looks like RP Data are not publicly releasing their auction results (outside of on realestate.com.au) like they did previously, which is a shame. Please let me know if RP Data actually are still releasing them, and the location on their website(s) - I can't find them. I also find their newly laid out websites very frustrating to navigate.

Anyway, realestate.com.au has the RP Data results for the previous week.

Very low number of reported auctions, and sadly they don't get the total number of auctions, so we now have no idea on how many remain unreported. We do know, though, the the reported volume of 56 is very small. Assuming the REINSW figures are correct of 187 auctions for the week (ignoring withdrawn), then RP Data had reported under 33% of auctions - a pathetic amount, especially compared to last year. In fact, RP Data had less reported auctions for the week than APM did for Saturday alone. Perhaps this indicates that RP Data are not going to seriously bother with reporting auction results anymore?

Anyway, RP Data reported a headline clearance rate of 62.5%, in between APM at 72% and REINSW at 50%. But with such a low number reported, it is hard to take the RP Data results seriously for the last week. Disappointing from RP Data indeed, especially when compared to their much more thorough results from last year. I hope the quality of the RP Data auction reporting improves from this low start.

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Clearance rate 62.5%
Reported auctions 56
Sold prior to auction: 13
Passed in: 16
Sold at auction: 21
Withdrawn: 5
Sold after auction: 1

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 04:23 AM

Terrigal 14 Ogilvie St 3 br h $109,500 S LJH Terrigal
http://terrigal.ljhooker.com.au/JMJGC1
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 05:10 AM

View Postsydney3000, on 12 February 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

Terrigal 14 Ogilvie St 3 br h $109,500 S LJH Terrigal
http://terrigal.ljhooker.com.au/JMJGC1


That looks very cheap, considering the size of the block of land and location. Did you look at the place?
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 05:30 AM

View Postcobran20, on 12 February 2012 - 05:10 AM, said:

That looks very cheap, considering the size of the block of land and location. Did you look at the place?


No, I was reading the auction results. Somebody got lucky or it discounts the probability of rising sea levels and/or rewarding employment the area. It makes a good home for somebody who is leading a life of leisure.

I doubt I would have put a bid in if I happened to be standing at such auction. Do I want to be in Terrigal for the rest of my life? Do I want to be in any one place for the rest of my life? I don't have friends which causes me to never become grounded in a community. Any place is as good as the next as long as I have a job to keep me occupied.

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Posted 12 February 2012 - 06:08 AM

Possibly a mistake - $1,095,00(0)?

16 Ogilvie Street, Terrigal (next door) appears to have sold for 1,650,000...
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