[savagegoose]

heres a pic



and heres one i can afford

http://www.viking-bo...com/faering.htm





freeking £3500 to get someone to build that dinghy, off to tafe to study wood work

[staringclown]

Go for the first one - the second one looks like a platform upon which you launch a funeral pyre. Viking style.

[savagegoose]

staringclown, on 21 January 2010 - 12:32 PM, said:

Go for the first one - the second one looks like a platform upon which you launch a funeral pyre. Viking style.

lol SC, if i go to sea on the second it prob would be a funeral of a sort. anyhow if i cant manage the second one, no point dreaming about the 1st. second one is the simplest design i could find for a wood row/ sail boat.

[tom]

This one was made in 1948.

$5000.00

Its become a bit mouldy, but at least it floats:



For sale on boat point, link:

Given that it has a full cabin you might be able to use your first home owners grant for it!

[Bernard L. Madoff]

2c worth as a sailor and ex owner...

Stay away from wood hulls. Very high maintenance and once it starts to go its hard to save.

I once owned one of these. Looks retro but solid fibreglass with foam packing between layers (unsinkable)...



Fibreglass with wood trim always for me.

[savagegoose]

believe me im a long way from owning anything. I know fibeglass is the way to go low maintanence, ease of construction. price, excellent second hand boats avail. and yeah i have noted $400 a month mooring fees+$10k boat equals a nice rental price, and if you dont like the landlord up anchor.

thats a nice looking rig there TP. whats the name of that style TP? and how much lol ?
i have read about fibro with wood panel, if i went fibro id just settle fro that. its the journey not the destination for me. that pyre boat is a near 1k old design. built with axe and a keen eye, well the original ones by vikings. all this is just a fancy for me atm. but thanks for the advice everyone.

[Gaia]

I use to co own a wooden boat (1960's folk boat) with two others. It was a great to sail but lots and lots of work. And the sun burn....Boats are like a relationship. You gotta put in to get out. But if you have time and money it's a fine way to pass ones day.

I happen to know the guy who makes these boats and they are a bit more affordable and for the smaller ones you can put on a trailer.
http://www.scruffie.com/

[wulfgar]

Those wooden boats need quite some maintenance now and again, it is going to cost at some point. Getting troublesome to find some somebody to do it as well. Pompei's in Melbourne used to do it, but they closed down now.

Ah the romance of wood.....takes me back to those Viking days 1600 years ago. Half their life was those boats.

Ah wooden boats....the Schmell, the taste, the texture!

Good to eat.

Tony Robinson did a stint on making Viking boats, in his worst jobs in history. But I can't find it on You tube.

[wulfgar]

savagegoose, on 21 January 2010 - 11:06 AM, said:

heres a pic




freeking £3500 to get someone to build that dinghy, off to tafe to study wood work

Oh that's the plan, good move. Once you built a small one you can build something bigger, with a side steering oar, those are really cool. Oak was the traditional timber. Using the traditional method of splitting with an adze results in stronger timbers.

[staringclown]

Gaia, on 22 January 2010 - 10:09 AM, said:

I use to co own a wooden boat (1960's folk boat) with two others. It was a great to sail but lots and lots of work. And the sun burn....Boats are like a relationship. You gotta put in to get out. But if you have time and money it's a fine way to pass ones day.

I happen to know the guy who makes these boats and they are a bit more affordable and for the smaller ones you can put on a trailer.
http://www.scruffie.com/

Thanks for the link Gaia. I'm seriously interested in the Shimmy 12. Looks ideal for my purposes. Easy to rig and nice and stable. Trouble is I'm not so handy with building and so I'm not so sure I would do a great job of building the kit.

A couple of questions for the old sea dogs on the forum. (Arrrgh!) Anyone ever sailed a gaf rigged boat without a boom? Is it necessary to lower the sail and switching the side of the mast the boom sits for a tack? Also the is no centreboard and I wonder how much leeway there is. The info on the site says it's not a problem but they would say that. Anyone had any experience with this?

[Bernard L. Madoff]

staringclown, on 22 January 2010 - 11:31 PM, said:

A couple of questions for the old sea dogs on the forum. (Arrrgh!) Anyone ever sailed a gaf rigged boat without a boom? Is it necessary to lower the sail and switching the side of the mast the boom sits for a tack? Also the is no centreboard and I wonder how much leeway there is. The info on the site says it's not a problem but they would say that. Anyone had any experience with this?

That Drascombe Lugger* in my post #5 above was gunter gaff rigged but had a loose foot (no boom). Tacking and Gybing was no ploblem with the main just flopping over and needing a trim. The mizzen sail just went by itself. The lugger had a steel dropdown centreboard so close hauled at 30degs but the odd lurch to 45degs in 20knots wasn't panicstations.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drascombe

PS This crazy man circumnavigated the world in a Drascombe Lugger "Chidiock Tichbourne". I presume because they are unsinkable.
http://www.inthepres...webbchiles.html

[staringclown]

Tinpusher, on 23 January 2010 - 01:41 AM, said:

That Drascombe Lugger* in my post #5 above was gunter gaff rigged but had a loose foot (no boom). Tacking and Gybing was no ploblem with the main just flopping over and needing a trim. The mizzen sail just went by itself. The lugger had a steel dropdown centreboard so close hauled at 30degs but the odd lurch to 45degs in 20knots wasn't panicstations.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drascombe

PS This crazy man circumnavigated the world in a Drascombe Lugger "Chidiock Tichbourne". I presume because they are unsinkable.
http://www.inthepres...webbchiles.html

Thanks TP. A decision has been made (AKA Ms clown has been convinced) and I'm definitely buying a boat. (At the expense of an overseas holiday ) I am even thinking of building it myself. Been looking for a small sail trainer type boat (skiffs may be a bit beyond me) corsair or a heron but they don't come up in canberra very often. Need to check whether my shed is big enough and buy some tools etc. SG you have inspired me. Thanks!

[Bernard L. Madoff]

On the refurb thing. I bought my lugger as a backyard wreck (wood buggered but hull in A1) for $600 and sold her when I left Caunickstan for $5000 but it took a few hundred hours to bring the beastie to glory.

BTW the good thing about a loose foot and retracting centreboard is you can furl the main to mast, pull up the board and motor into a lonely river with a 2ft depth and piscatorialy FLAY them.

These are pics of mine (some furled and before and after).

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[savagegoose]

ordered a book on ebay
http://shop.ebay.com...ht+Boatbuilding

half price on amazon but hey they dont ship out of usa

[savagegoose]

i just signed upto tafe for a 6 month course. o well cya all around. 8am starts, im used to crack of noon. this should keep me honest for another few months. at least ill know what end of a saw to hammer a nail in with.

[staringclown]

savagegoose, on 01 February 2010 - 08:13 AM, said:

i just signed upto tafe for a 6 month course. o well cya all around. 8am starts, im used to crack of noon. this should keep me honest for another few months. at least ill know what end of a saw to hammer a nail in with.

Awesome. I'm envious. If you get any amazing tips please publish them on this thread.

[savagegoose]

tks man it isnt a boatbuilding course, its vocational woodwork, ie to get someone to level to start an apprenticeship. which is about where i need to start. heck i asked about plywood and they dont even do plywood. still it will be enough so i know how to handle all the tools i need, what tools ill need to buy and how to read a plan and set up my workspace. who knows i may even like it and look for work in the field.

an interesting note is that for apprentice in this field they gove and other interested,partes state gov, and business council offer over $20k in grants to hire apprentices in carpentry. but hardly any for cabinet makers. guess housing boom is being supported in more ways than we knew.

[savagegoose]

Just wanted to say it aint a boat building course. more is the shame. ill be happy to pass on any tips i find.

[Bernard L. Madoff]

Good on you mate. I reckon being a cabinet maker is akin to an artist except hardwoods smell better than paint.

On my lugger (above pics) all the wood was teak (most boat decks etc are it weathers nicely) what a beaut smell when I was sanding and rebuilding the decks, gunwhales, masts etc.

[savagegoose]

lol well i didnt sign up for the course. on indoctrination day, i realized its really vocational and main goal is to get aPPRENTICE CARPENTERS OUT THEIR KNOCKING UP WOOD FRAMES FOR HOUSES.
really i dont need to know all the stuff they teach and dont need to pay $900 for it, ill buy some books and teach myself. amazed i was so close to signing up , infact a vist to the bursar and handing over the cash is what finally drew me to my senses.

ill never know where it could have lead, but o well.